Si La Ba ... why use my $ to give rich people?
I am super worry I have not enough $ for my rest of life after age of 65
5d 注 $6000 to my account too
Super useless government, unfair unfair unfair ...
suggest 注 6000 to all HK poeple .... it is fair game
從寬注積金
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Re: 從寬注積金
Dog你要唔到佢6000元, 証明你有錢喇. 重有就係呢個世界冇話fair唔fair (我既睇法直情係冇絕對既fair). 你諗一下, 點解個天咁唔fair: 你唔係李家誠個仔而李澤楷係; 你生得冇吳彥祖咁形咁靚仔(呢個係我個人意見); 你d英文冇P小姐咁好...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWWbHevl_wI
好多野某些人覺得好唔fair但又別人又覺ok. 中國人有一句叫"各有前因莫羨人", 你明白這句話的意義嗎?
當然你都有權係度表達下閣下既不滿.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWWbHevl_wI
好多野某些人覺得好唔fair但又別人又覺ok. 中國人有一句叫"各有前因莫羨人", 你明白這句話的意義嗎?
當然你都有權係度表達下閣下既不滿.
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Re: 從寬注積金
Willy...there is some analysis regarding 從寬注積金 ..
Some very rich guy ... they still get $6000 because Nov to Dec ... they don't have over 10,000 income
Some rich man ... they take vacation during this period ... still have $6000 ... what a unfair calculation .... mud "nine" decision, crazy
Some very rich guy ... they still get $6000 because Nov to Dec ... they don't have over 10,000 income
Some rich man ... they take vacation during this period ... still have $6000 ... what a unfair calculation .... mud "nine" decision, crazy
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第一, 每人分6000元未必係fair. 例如有錢人可能會咁講: "我平時納咁多稅, 而家政府分錢, 有乜理由佢所得同我一樣." 窮人可能又會覺得, 有錢人咁有錢, 駛乜要派錢比佢, 不如派多d比我洗好過.
第二, 9 of 10 will say unfair? 你個數字點來架. 我知喇, 以喜歡玩數字既阿dog, "9 of 10 will say unfair" means "十下十下既阿狗覺得不公平". (純粹講笑, 不要介懷)
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計畫初出有人覺得不公平, 現今之計畫己是一個針對當初之不公平加以改善:
"從寬注積金 總結經驗再優化
...當局當初推出計畫，只向現職月入一萬元以下的市民強積金戶口注資，估計受惠戶口達一百三十萬。不過，議員和社會人士覺得這對新近失業者不公平，而且部分行業靠佣金收入，相當不穩定，如果恰巧該月收入逾萬元失去資格，未免可惜，不少低收入者也因為年尾雙糧而變成某月收入逾萬。當局為此釐訂了上述三個月期限的安排，估計會多了十萬人受惠。..."
Source: http://hk.news.yahoo.com/article/090318/3/b8ln.html
第二, 9 of 10 will say unfair? 你個數字點來架. 我知喇, 以喜歡玩數字既阿dog, "9 of 10 will say unfair" means "十下十下既阿狗覺得不公平". (純粹講笑, 不要介懷)
xxx
計畫初出有人覺得不公平, 現今之計畫己是一個針對當初之不公平加以改善:
"從寬注積金 總結經驗再優化
...當局當初推出計畫，只向現職月入一萬元以下的市民強積金戶口注資，估計受惠戶口達一百三十萬。不過，議員和社會人士覺得這對新近失業者不公平，而且部分行業靠佣金收入，相當不穩定，如果恰巧該月收入逾萬元失去資格，未免可惜，不少低收入者也因為年尾雙糧而變成某月收入逾萬。當局為此釐訂了上述三個月期限的安排，估計會多了十萬人受惠。..."
Source: http://hk.news.yahoo.com/article/090318/3/b8ln.html
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Re: 從寬注積金
我很同意最高領導人上述所講既嘢, 實在很有道理.
至於呢句“你唔係李家誠個仔而李澤楷係; 你生得冇吳彥祖咁形咁靚仔(呢個係我個人意見); 你d英文冇P小姐咁好...”真係勁搞笑…
最高領導人所講“好多野某些人覺得好唔fair但又別人又覺ok”, 或許讓我舉2個人的例子:
1) 你唔係李家誠個仔而李澤楷係?
- 我估計現時好多人都唔老嚟李生, 可能每日起身打開眼已想
佢, 事關8號仔宜家搞成咁.
- 雖然最高導領人無佢有個咁有米既老豆, 咁又如何? 但最高領導人搞咗個weweweb出嚟, 免費送咗咁多歡樂俾大家, 又讓大家係夜蘭人靜既時候有個好地方去蒲, 所以好多網友都好喜歡佢.
- 雖然dog同樣無個咁有米既老豆, 但佢有個掌上明珠. 我諗呢樣唔可以用錢去衡量, 就算有幾多錢都買唔到.
2) 你生得冇吳彥祖咁形咁靚仔?
- 很多人都話吳彥祖好型好靚仔, 但我又唔係咁覺得喎.
- 好似最高領導人咁, 總有人覺得佢又handsome又kawaii又smart又funny, 比吳彥祖好好多喎!!(雖然我唔知有幾多人有咁既諗法, 但至少不是"0"個.)
- 好似Dog咁, 無論佢係十幾歲定係宜家XX歲, 都一直有人默默支持佢, 唔駛諗, 我認為呢個人都一直覺得佢好過吳彥祖好多.
3) 你d英文冇P小姐咁好
- 哦, 每人都總有talent架.....好似P小姐, 佢啲英文咁好, 實在毋容置疑, 只有老外先有得同佢比. 呢啲天份唔係人人有架.
- 最高領導人雖然也沒有P小姐的英文咁好, 但佢係IT奇葩嚟架. 每當我見到啲game時, 我嘗試諗吓背後咁複雜既logic要點寫時, 我已暈咗響度.... 我諗如要我日日寫programme的話, 到我瓜咗嗰日, 都一定寫唔到出嚟.
- 雖然Dog沒有P小姐的英文咁好, 但Dog係中國通嚟, 無咁上下既溝通技能, 公司也不會派佢同中外人士合作為公司賺錢啦.
總論係.......其實表面上大家可能會認為有啲好唔fair既事發生係身上, 但其實未必咁差勁既, 分分鐘係好好添. 對我而言, 只要不是太差的話, 其實已好lucky.
還有...... Dog, 如你對政府沒有為每一個人注6000蚊入MPF戶口而仍然感到好火既話, 我只能說...大把人陪你喎. 有咁多人陪你(包括: 肥B)一樣, 希望你能有點釋懷啦, 事關太火滾對身體不好. 其實那6000蚊要到65歲先有得攞架, 究竟到時會變為幾多錢, 無人知嗰喎. 經過今次金融海潚, 日後既巨浪有幾勁勁好難講, 6000蚊可以番好多番, 又可以變成幾蚊都未定.
我印象中好似有一句說話.... 意思類似係.... 你以為無既時候, 其實你是有的; 而你以為有既時候, 其實你係無的. (哈哈, 我好似唔知自己講緊乜~~
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至於呢句“你唔係李家誠個仔而李澤楷係; 你生得冇吳彥祖咁形咁靚仔(呢個係我個人意見); 你d英文冇P小姐咁好...”真係勁搞笑…
最高領導人所講“好多野某些人覺得好唔fair但又別人又覺ok”, 或許讓我舉2個人的例子:
1) 你唔係李家誠個仔而李澤楷係?
- 我估計現時好多人都唔老嚟李生, 可能每日起身打開眼已想
佢, 事關8號仔宜家搞成咁.- 雖然最高導領人無佢有個咁有米既老豆, 咁又如何? 但最高領導人搞咗個weweweb出嚟, 免費送咗咁多歡樂俾大家, 又讓大家係夜蘭人靜既時候有個好地方去蒲, 所以好多網友都好喜歡佢.
- 雖然dog同樣無個咁有米既老豆, 但佢有個掌上明珠. 我諗呢樣唔可以用錢去衡量, 就算有幾多錢都買唔到.
2) 你生得冇吳彥祖咁形咁靚仔?
- 很多人都話吳彥祖好型好靚仔, 但我又唔係咁覺得喎.
- 好似最高領導人咁, 總有人覺得佢又handsome又kawaii又smart又funny, 比吳彥祖好好多喎!!(雖然我唔知有幾多人有咁既諗法, 但至少不是"0"個.)
- 好似Dog咁, 無論佢係十幾歲定係宜家XX歲, 都一直有人默默支持佢, 唔駛諗, 我認為呢個人都一直覺得佢好過吳彥祖好多.
3) 你d英文冇P小姐咁好
- 哦, 每人都總有talent架.....好似P小姐, 佢啲英文咁好, 實在毋容置疑, 只有老外先有得同佢比. 呢啲天份唔係人人有架.
- 最高領導人雖然也沒有P小姐的英文咁好, 但佢係IT奇葩嚟架. 每當我見到啲game時, 我嘗試諗吓背後咁複雜既logic要點寫時, 我已暈咗響度.... 我諗如要我日日寫programme的話, 到我瓜咗嗰日, 都一定寫唔到出嚟.
- 雖然Dog沒有P小姐的英文咁好, 但Dog係中國通嚟, 無咁上下既溝通技能, 公司也不會派佢同中外人士合作為公司賺錢啦.
總論係.......其實表面上大家可能會認為有啲好唔fair既事發生係身上, 但其實未必咁差勁既, 分分鐘係好好添. 對我而言, 只要不是太差的話, 其實已好lucky.
還有...... Dog, 如你對政府沒有為每一個人注6000蚊入MPF戶口而仍然感到好火既話, 我只能說...大把人陪你喎. 有咁多人陪你(包括: 肥B)一樣, 希望你能有點釋懷啦, 事關太火滾對身體不好. 其實那6000蚊要到65歲先有得攞架, 究竟到時會變為幾多錢, 無人知嗰喎. 經過今次金融海潚, 日後既巨浪有幾勁勁好難講, 6000蚊可以番好多番, 又可以變成幾蚊都未定.
我印象中好似有一句說話.... 意思類似係.... 你以為無既時候, 其實你是有的; 而你以為有既時候, 其實你係無的. (哈哈, 我好似唔知自己講緊乜~~
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Re: 從寬注積金
$6000 ... looks small $ ... but I need to spend 1 year to get this $ (not count win / lost) from market
You think think, aftet age of 65 .... $6000 may become a lot of $, that's why government has this investment for the low income
They didn't think long-term
They didn't think fair
They didn't think they really need $6000 or not
They only do very "low-B" research and have this conclusion
For me, unfair at all, 5d pay me back $6000
You think think, aftet age of 65 .... $6000 may become a lot of $, that's why government has this investment for the low income
They didn't think long-term
They didn't think fair
They didn't think they really need $6000 or not
They only do very "low-B" research and have this conclusion
For me, unfair at all, 5d pay me back $6000
Lovely Dog
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從上述既文章, 我有一點點既感受 (係同呢篇文章的主題無關既)...
就係... 最高領導人確實對阿dog好好...
或許阿dog會R哂頭, 心諗肥bean點解會咁講呢?
阿dog, 講真嗰句, 如你寫的msg是由我寫的, 我相信最高領導人一早已唔鬼睬我了, 絶不會咁苦口婆心, 回應你一個又一個既msg... 哈哈, 所以最高領導人早前話要對你好啲, 真係無吹水. 由呢點可看到, 最高領導人對dog特別好. 所以, 我更感受到呢個世界係無絶對既公平...
阿dog, 你對MPF注資唔公平既睇法, 我相信係一段時間內都未必會改變. 或許, 過多幾年, 等你再大個啲, 可能會有另一套見解都未定.
試諗吓, 嗰啲啱啱超過一萬蚊人工(e.g. $10010)既人咪仲飲恨... 而且呢件事已米己成炊, 還是忘記吧, 不要追討了... 我諗除非有大部份無嗰6000蚊既人發起上街遊行及示威, 政府是不會改變主意的.
另外, 有關社會資源既分配是否公平... 如要逐單case去分析, 真係唔知講到幾時先完. 總之, 任何安排都總有人覺得唔公平.
我也知6000蚊不是一個小數目, 如積極及positive一點來看, 我會諗點樣去慳的無謂支出, 並改善自身的money management, 把啲錢好好運用、投資或儲蓄好過了.
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就係... 最高領導人確實對阿dog好好...
或許阿dog會R哂頭, 心諗肥bean點解會咁講呢?
阿dog, 講真嗰句, 如你寫的msg是由我寫的, 我相信最高領導人一早已唔鬼睬我了, 絶不會咁苦口婆心, 回應你一個又一個既msg... 哈哈, 所以最高領導人早前話要對你好啲, 真係無吹水. 由呢點可看到, 最高領導人對dog特別好. 所以, 我更感受到呢個世界係無絶對既公平...
阿dog, 你對MPF注資唔公平既睇法, 我相信係一段時間內都未必會改變. 或許, 過多幾年, 等你再大個啲, 可能會有另一套見解都未定.
試諗吓, 嗰啲啱啱超過一萬蚊人工(e.g. $10010)既人咪仲飲恨... 而且呢件事已米己成炊, 還是忘記吧, 不要追討了... 我諗除非有大部份無嗰6000蚊既人發起上街遊行及示威, 政府是不會改變主意的.
另外, 有關社會資源既分配是否公平... 如要逐單case去分析, 真係唔知講到幾時先完. 總之, 任何安排都總有人覺得唔公平.
我也知6000蚊不是一個小數目, 如積極及positive一點來看, 我會諗點樣去慳的無謂支出, 並改善自身的money management, 把啲錢好好運用、投資或儲蓄好過了.
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Re: 從寬注積金
Bean,
I am agree what you think but I still don't agree what they do...never
Firstly, they didn't disclose how many people get $6000
Secondly, they didn't go to understand how rich the people but still get $6000
Thirdly, they didn't consider people become jobless now and now and now
4th, they didn't consider people will getting rich or getting worst
5th, they didn't consider people have salary range just a bit more than 10,000, however 10,001, 10,200, 10,500, 10,800, 11,000 ... etc
Again, this is very foolish decision, I don't know what they are doing at all!!!
Fair not fair in not important for me, I can't get this $6000 is related to me at all...>.<
Willy is right, if I get $6000, I will not yelling to government
But now ... unfair, I have right to express ... hope you don't mind I express myself here...keke ...
If you mind, I will stop ...
I am agree what you think but I still don't agree what they do...never
Firstly, they didn't disclose how many people get $6000
Secondly, they didn't go to understand how rich the people but still get $6000
Thirdly, they didn't consider people become jobless now and now and now
4th, they didn't consider people will getting rich or getting worst
5th, they didn't consider people have salary range just a bit more than 10,000, however 10,001, 10,200, 10,500, 10,800, 11,000 ... etc
Again, this is very foolish decision, I don't know what they are doing at all!!!
Fair not fair in not important for me, I can't get this $6000 is related to me at all...>.<
Willy is right, if I get $6000, I will not yelling to government
But now ... unfair, I have right to express ... hope you don't mind I express myself here...keke ...
If you mind, I will stop ...
Lovely Dog
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哈哈, willy同wayway咁好興緻係度題字... good~~ 
Dog, 其實我一定唔會mind你係度發表你既意見, 因為呢樹係forum. 反而, 我好喜歡你講多啲, 等大家可以多啲認識你嘛!!加埋有人同我搭嘴, 咁先至無咁悶.
雖然我都識了你有2年多, 但其實對你認識也不大深... 所以, 你講多啲啦~~ 雖然你啲意見一向比較另類(希望你不要介意我咁講), 但另類不等如係錯既...
多啲人參與討論, 可以擴闊大家既思考空間, 係一件好事嚟.
好似早幾日前, 大家係game room討論有關communication既問題, 最高領導人講了一句很有道理既說話.
老實說, 我一向都無好深入諗過communication究竟應係點... 但經佢好認真講了一句, 噢, 叮的一聲, 我又明白咗好多...
真的, communication係亙動既, 如你想別人明白你講乜, 咁你講的語言係對方也要明白的. 或許, 大家都會有自己自設既語言(e.g. 我哋weweweb既網語nouse), 可能啲密友或很friend既朋友先會明白... 但為免令人誤解或誤會了自己, 最初還是用啲簡單易明既說話去表達自己真實既想法. 待有一天對方已同你好friend, 有一定默契既時候, 咁大家可以講番啲外星話都絶對無問題.
(以上只為我肥bean的小小意見 )
Dog, 其實我一定唔會mind你係度發表你既意見, 因為呢樹係forum. 反而, 我好喜歡你講多啲, 等大家可以多啲認識你嘛!!加埋有人同我搭嘴, 咁先至無咁悶.
雖然我都識了你有2年多, 但其實對你認識也不大深... 所以, 你講多啲啦~~ 雖然你啲意見一向比較另類(希望你不要介意我咁講), 但另類不等如係錯既...
多啲人參與討論, 可以擴闊大家既思考空間, 係一件好事嚟.
好似早幾日前, 大家係game room討論有關communication既問題, 最高領導人講了一句很有道理既說話.
老實說, 我一向都無好深入諗過communication究竟應係點... 但經佢好認真講了一句, 噢, 叮的一聲, 我又明白咗好多...
真的, communication係亙動既, 如你想別人明白你講乜, 咁你講的語言係對方也要明白的. 或許, 大家都會有自己自設既語言(e.g. 我哋weweweb既網語nouse), 可能啲密友或很friend既朋友先會明白... 但為免令人誤解或誤會了自己, 最初還是用啲簡單易明既說話去表達自己真實既想法. 待有一天對方已同你好friend, 有一定默契既時候, 咁大家可以講番啲外星話都絶對無問題.
(以上只為我肥bean的小小意見
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Re: 從寬注積金
haha Bean
You should open another topic "Communication" la ...
I still want to express again
積金局烏龍注資退休照收六千 ...
I don't know what they are doing!!!
High salary, foolish mind
To be fair, they should give all HK people $6000...because $ from all people
At least, they should think the back up plan for the people didn't have $6000
For examples
1, If people become jobless even they got high salary, government should start to pay $500 per month (maximum 12 month) to help this group of people
2, If people over 10k salary, should they get $5000 or $4000 ... etc, high salary less 注資, I know this is a bit complicate, but at least a plan as below
below 10k - $6000
10k-15k - $5000
15k-20k - $4000
20k or above - $3000
I think it is fair game because no one know who will / will not become jobless
3, If people 自雇, no fix income, they should get $6000 even they are extremely rich already
You should open another topic "Communication" la ...
I still want to express again
積金局烏龍注資退休照收六千 ...
I don't know what they are doing!!!
High salary, foolish mind
To be fair, they should give all HK people $6000...because $ from all people
At least, they should think the back up plan for the people didn't have $6000
For examples
1, If people become jobless even they got high salary, government should start to pay $500 per month (maximum 12 month) to help this group of people
2, If people over 10k salary, should they get $5000 or $4000 ... etc, high salary less 注資, I know this is a bit complicate, but at least a plan as below
below 10k - $6000
10k-15k - $5000
15k-20k - $4000
20k or above - $3000
I think it is fair game because no one know who will / will not become jobless
3, If people 自雇, no fix income, they should get $6000 even they are extremely rich already
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